Showing posts with label Jim Jordan. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Jim Jordan. Show all posts

Saturday, October 21, 2023

The demise of Jim Jordan's attempt to be Speaker: the threats by bullies failed ,updated 10/25/23

 10/25/ 23 Ken Buck buckled. He just voted for a GOP House speaker who was an election denier and was not in support of more Ukraine aid, the very two issues he gave for opposing Jim Jordan. Here is the package plan he voted for, not only regarding being an election denier who helped shape the elector scheme in 2020 and regarding Ukraine, but Johnson is a religious conservative supporting an abortion ban and is anti-LGBTQ rights and opposes gay marriage. This should also provide a nation wide campaign slogan adapted to district races: Turn the House blue; end MAGA control, I can see those attack ads now. GOP Incumbent House members, either from swing districts or red ones, can now be painted with the same broad brush. They bow to MAGA When the chips were down they voted for a Speaker who was an election denier and architect of the electoral college scheme, a hard core anti choice, anti gay rights and marriage, , anti climate change advocate. The only way Buck can differentiate himself from his support of Mike Johnson is by voting on any of these issues that are brought to the floor or in the committees in which he serves. There is fodder now for some Democrat to give him a serious challenge in the general election. Buck's district is not as red as it once was. https://www.theguardian.com/.../who-is-mike-johnson-house...

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 Imagine this: the 2024 election, a presidential year, could be determined by a House that either believed the 2020 election was stolen (with no evidence found in 3 years) or who would likely be bent on sabotaging it if Trump looks like he lost.  So far, the only candidates left standing have passed the MAGA litmus test of having voted against certification. Tom Emmer, who voted to certify the 2020 elections, became another victim of Donald Trump's intervention, withdrawing his candidacy. The MAGAs are laying the groundwork to sabotage the results of the 2024 presidential race if Trump loses again, destroying trust in the most fundamental purpose of democracy, the vote.

  •  We must recognize the fight to keep democracy has become central to the 2024 race, and the worst outcome imaginable would be to have a MAGA party trying to overturn an election that they lose are still in control of the House.   The fight for 2024  has started now in this House mess. and the GOP is laying the groundwork to give Trump a second term even if he loses the vote of the people.,  

  It is not only the MAGA laying the groundwork to disrupt the 2024 election by manipulation and lies that is a threat to democracy, it is its use of political violence that is used by its most extreme devotees. This GOP internal fight is a testimony to the distortion of democracy by political and racial gerrymandering and the power of physical, political violence that has been the chief tool of MAGA  led by Trump's technique of using fear of retribution to those not loyal to him. It gives new meaning to "whip" votes in Congress, not by the usual horse-trading of favors, but by using fear and threats by outside media and encouraging political violence  MAGA offers chaos, government dysfunction, subverting national security interests, and a Congress that is whipped into compliance by threats and violence, fearful to reflect the best interests of their constituents. https://www.npr.org/2023/10/25/1208373493/political-violence-democracy-2024-presidential-election-extremism

https://apnews.com/article/house-speaker-jim-jordan-threats-54eeecef0188edfcb9903e45019f190f  “Bullying don’t work,” said Rep. Don Bacon, a Republican centrist who has led the opposition to Jordan’s  nomination .... His wife slept with a loaded gun near her bedside one night." 

The demise of Jim Jordan's attempt to be Speaker: the threats by bullies failed. The 22 House GOP members who dared to go public to vote against him were subject to death threats and, in Ken Buck's case, (R-CO), more. In addition to Buck, however, there were more than 21 opposing Jordan. A fearful 90 more undercover of a secret ballot in the GOP caucus voted against Jordan's continuing his attempt to be Speaker. Why, how, and is this the end of the reign of terror of a minor, radical right-wing minority? For the sake of democracy, we should hope. We do not need to wait until 2024 for democracy to be on the ballot. It is now 2023. Democracy is already hanging in the balance in the House at this very moment. The same GOP actors in Congress are still in office in November 2024 and during the presidential election vote count. 

The time to vote any MAGA out was in 2022, and it almost happened, giving the GOP only a 4-vote advantage. All but a few (14) are from "safe" districts. Fear of losing the next election by a legitimate vote of its constituents is a guiding factor for only a few thanks years of gerrymandering. Nonetheless, there are still enough  GOP members from swing districts to defy the MAGA threats of violence and retribution to keep the MAGA from getting their preferred choice. It would be another nightmare a la 2020, but worse, if MAGA controls Congress bent on denying and decertifying another election result if Trump loses in 2024. That is why it is critical that whoever the GOP caucus supports for Speaker is not an election denier whose absolute allegiance is to Donald Trump and not to the Constitution and the institutions that keep it viable. 

Enough GOP House members opposed Jordan's advance to a third ballot, but only when they were given a chance to voice their natural preference in secret.. House Republicans are back to the drawing board after they dumped Jim Jordan for Speaker (nbcnews.com). They became brave enough to vote no under the cover of secrecy. That, unfortunately, is a testimony to the effectiveness of threats of political violence and "being primaried in a gerrymandered district." Bullying has worked in MAGAland until now. Why? What changed? 

 Ken Buck (R-CO) and the other twenty-odd anti-Jordans endured a barrage of FOX and Breitbart threats and calls to " violence to families and staff" and threats of being "primaried."  Republicans who voted against Jordan for Speaker say they've been threatened and harassed - ABC News (go.com). Having a Speaker who would use fear and threats to force them to vote against their political interests also raised some hackles; the bullying could have backfired as the desire for GOP incumbents to win the next election in one of those 14  districts that voted for Biden became more important than the fear factor ginned up by the MAGA media.

 This GOP internal fight is a testimony to the distortion of democracy by political and racial gerrymandering and the power of physical, political violence that has been the chief tool of MAGA  led by Trump's technique of using fear of retribution to those not loyal to him. It gives new meaning to "whip" votes in Congress, not by the usual horse-trading of favors, but by using fear and threats by outside media and encouraging political violence. In this rare instance, the bullies failed, and Trump's hand-picked candidate, Jordan, had to bow out of the race. There was also speculation by pundits that there were those who had supported Scalese or others who wanted no more to do with the House crazies who ended McCarthy's speakership. They resented being forced into another leadership crisis by an unreasonable and disruptive minority.

The argument raised by some in the GOP blaming the Democrats for their dilemma is silly and laughable. They blame the Democrats for not voting for the GOP nominee to break the log jam of failing to reach the 217 needed. Say what? During this battle, any GOP member who urged bi-partisanship or wistfully hoped for a few Democratic votes was immediately shot down as a traitor to the GOP.   Democrats have enjoyed painting the GOP as incompetent fools and crazies, true. But they claim no one ever asked them for their votes. Now, as it has been clear there is an impasse, and aid to Israel and Ukraine and a looming shutdown are at stake, that may give the impetus for a few Democrats to ride in on a white horse and save the GOP from themselves. It is right now the most likely outcome if an election denier is a looming possibility of becoming Speaker.

 My speculation of what motivated these other 90 who had voted publicly in the two prior House floor votes for Jordan could vote differently in private is, well, speculative. And several. Many feared subjecting themselves to primaries since most came from gerrymandered safe districts. Others likely had personal animosity toward Jordan's  "bomb-throwing" and attack dog, take-no-prisoners, uncompromising modus operandi. He was not a legislator; he was an obstructionist who caused chaos instead of being a leader in passing legislation. Speaker's job is to pass their party-favored legislation, by definition, and serve third in line to the presidency. Jordan needed to be more suited for both positions.

The defeat of Jordan in his quest for Speaker is a positive step for those like me who support the continuation of the form of democracy we have enjoyed for 250 years. Admittedly, I have my own antagonism to autocracies since I have experienced them and their aftermath. Jordan's participation in January 6 and promoting the big lie and alternative slates of electors were well known, including his refusal to testify to the January 6 committee about his actions and communications with the White House on January 5 and 6. That Jordan had no respect for following the rule of law regarding January 6 would subvert the intent of the oath of his office.. Jordan is a slavish supporter of Donald Trump, who promised to turn the presidency into a single executive power form of government and a tool of his retribution and tearing up parts of the Constitution. It is a disquieting thought. Jordan taking an oath of office to protect the Constitution would be a meaningless gesture, a third finger raised in the face of being third in line with his pledging political support to other ani-democratic politicians.  

The unintended consequence of the past two weeks may be the marginalization of the extremist right-wing influence. It may happen if some line conservative supporter of the House's institution gets the nod. One possibility is someone like Tom Cole of Oklahoma. His name cropped up early after McCarthy resigned and then again recently. Cole represents the most ruby red and secure seat in the nation. He could survive any attack by the crazy right for his working bi-partisanly to get the House operating again. (Cole or someone like him has always been on my radar; I disagree with him on many public policy issues, but. he has the natural ability and respect by his peers and for the institution needed to be a successful Speaker and bring order and calm to the chaos). GOP majority whip Tom Emmer, who voted to certify Biden's win in 2020,  is emerging as a centrist candidate, too. Trump Won’t Support Latest Frontrunner in House Speaker Race (msn.com) Democrats benefit from the House looking like a clown show, true. There are more critical agendas, like preserving democracy and the process that has kept it viable despite its warts.  It is critical to democracy that the GOP speaker at least pledge his allegiance to the Constitution and the process we have respected for 250 years, designed to avoid chaos and violence that had plagued so many regime changes in history.

 What could have motivated Buck to be defiant, a member of the Jordan-founded freedom caucus of ultra-conservatives? Buck was hardly an outlier of ideological,  traditional conservativism. Possibly, taken as his public word, he opposed Jordan publicly on two public policy issues: Jordan's participation and support of January 6  before and after as an election denier and Jordan's pledge to end aid to Ukraine. Other factors could have been at play. Overtly, the 22 who revolted mostly came from districts Biden won in 2020. Their re-election in 2024 would be in peril with their constituents if they were too closely linked to MAGA. This is a tribute to the few House districts. It is not gerrymandered to purely GOP majorities and is still competitive in a general election. In Buck's case, once nearly entirely rural and very conservative, his community had become more "front range," urban, and liberal after recent districting by an independent commission. It is still not a swing district,  but Buck felt the shift, and his public policy positions were popular across bi-partisan lines, including opposing election denial and funding Ukraine. Jordan took the opposite place on both of these issues. Still, that does not totally account for Buck's upfront opposition to  Jordan, and it obviously resulted in the threats on his life and eviction from his district office by a disgruntled landlord. Whatever it was, Buck did not buckle.

  .https://ballotpedia.org/U.S._House_districts_represented_by_a_Republican_in_2022_and_won_by_Joe_Biden_in_2 .

  • Felicia Muftic
    Republican candidates for speaker sign unity pledge to back eventual nominee (msn.com) A unity pledge is being ing used as an identifier of who is a real MAGA and who is not. The only way that will be shot out of the water will be Democrats who will supply enough votes to put a centrist GOP speaker over the top. The problem is, what will be the price Dems demand for their intervention. Frankly, the answer is not to try to negotiate a deal, but to back a candidate who better represents the center since those in the GOP who dare negotiate will be bullied as being traitors. Democrats should not put them in additional jeopardy...That is far more important than trying to make a deal. Just do it. Just supply votes for one candidate who is not an election denier t )who would jeopardize the 2024 integrity of the election, and who would support aid to Ukraine and Israel) which have wide bipartisan support and popular support as well. This strategy needs to be conducted quietly.Trump Won’t Support Latest Frontrunner in House Speaker Race (msn.com)
  • The problem this presents is that any successful centrist candidate will have to deal with MAGA, a large chunk of the House GOP caucus,. This means the Dems may have to keep up the strategy of a coalition government as issues come to the floor for a time. 

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Friday, October 13, 2023

Why the persistent big lie is still a danger to democracy updated 11/18/2023

 From the 10/12/posting, an extract focusing on how dangerous undermining faith in the election process is to the continuation of democracy.  It also touches on how the anti-democracy MAGA right sees chaos they foment themselves should be cured by their own solution:  government control by a strong man with an "iron fist" who is their great leader, Donald Trump. 

(Update: 11/18/2023  Colorado judge finds Trump engaged in insurrection, but keeps him on ballot : NPR    Thi will be appealed to the Colorado Supreme Court, and then likely onto the US Supreme Court with the conservative majority.  The bad news for Trump is the Colorado judge was the first judicial finding that Trump was an insurrectionist and his First Amendment rights were not jeopardized. The good news left many judicial jaws dropping that Trump was not an officer of the country because his oath of office did not conform to the oath of other officials. This is truly a debatable interpretation of the 14th Amendment. That will certainly be the crux of the appeal)

This persistent belief the 2020 election was stolen is a danger to democracy. Perpetuation of the Big Lie is central to the anti-democracy strategy to destroy faith in the democratic process and then use what they themselves had sabotaged and undermined to replace it with an autocrat who makes sure their MAGAs win by whatever means necessary, including replacing the Department of Justice with loyalists.  

Per reporting by Charlie Sykes of the Bulwark, based upon a prosecution's recent filing regarding Trump's role in January 6, prosecutors will make the case to a jury that Ttump knowingly lied about facts he knew to be false. He used the lies he knew were lies to motivate supporters to overturn the election.    This is in anticipation of the defense argument that Trump actually believed he won so what he said was not intentional and, therefore, not a crime.  They bank on the defense argument that you cannot prove what was in Trump's head.  That politicians lie all the time on the stump and have a First Amendment right of free speech to do it is another Trump defense. The answer is the purpose of his lies was to convince others to commit crimes on his behalf to overturn the election and stay in power. It was his actions, knowingly using lies as a tool to advance his beliefs, sincerely held he won, delusional or not sincerely held,  to overturn the election with violence.   

Some of MAGA will understand that Trump thought they were devoted to him enough to believe whatever he claims as gospel truth. In fact, the majority of the GOP still believes him, he was so effective. Believing that, or repeating whether they still believe it when they don't, is necessary to qualify in his eyes as a bonafide loyal member of the MAGA followers.    That is the only way I can explain that despite three years of trying, no evidence, no court cases, no "forensic audit" could come up with proof there was enough fraud to overturn the 2020 election. It is irrational, but it is a necessary part of swearing allegiance to Trump. 

There are advocates in the MAGA movement, such as Steve Bannon,  who see creating chaos as part of the strategy to replace democracy with a strong leader autocrat he favors that would empower MAGA movement to rule over those they disdain,. Claiming democracy does not work is dependent on their convincing the MAGA movement that it does not work for them at the ballot box. They have been very successful since 70% of Republicans still think the election was stolen. The ability of all citizens to choose their leaders via the ballot is the most central and fundamental characteristic of a democracy.     .https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2022/07/politics/steve-bannon-us-democracy and faith in its integrity is essential. Keeping the Big Lie going is how the MAGA anti-democracy radicals are trying to damage that faith in order to give a rationale for replacing democracy with a form of dictatorship (by Trump) instead..\To achieve this goal, Trump even advocates violence, and his followers are quick to do likewise, threatening violence against any politician or judge or law enforcer who acts against Trump's interest.  

The latest death threats are against Colorado's Republican Congressman, Ken Buck, who has been outspoken against Trump's back House Speaker, Jim Jordan. Ken Buck one of multiple Republicans receiving death threats for voting against Rep. Jim Jordan as House Speaker | Colorado Public Radio (cpr.org) One of Buck's issues is that Jordan  is an election denier and is against more aid to Ukraine.  How right he is about Jordan, who played a role in January 6, supporting the attempt to for Pence to go along with the conspiracy to refuse to certify the 2020 election as late as January 5 and every act supporting the big lie and the refusal to certify the election thereafter.  As head of the judicial committee Jordan was a verbal bomb thrower from impeachment attempts of Trump to refusing ot testify before the January 6 committee after being subpoenaed. He may expect those he throws his political adversaries to turn up when he sobpoenas him but he himself refuses to appear if he gets subpoenaed.  So fixated is he on his role of attack dog, he never passed a piece of serioius legislation  he sponsored in ihe House in his 16 years as a congressman.. Yet, that is is job of a Speaker, to get his party's legislation passed.  He does not subscribe to the legislative process; he has seeked to destroy it if it does not support Trump's ambitions.   What to know about Jim Jordan's role in Jan. 6 - ABC News (go.com)

What is now even more critical at stake in 2024 is the election of Trump, who does not even support the Constitution, evidenced by the claim by his attorneys that Trump is not sworn to defend it. Trump tells court he had no duty to 'support' the Constitution as president (msn.com)  This lawsuit centers on Trump's failure to support the constitution on January 6.  Trump's frightening comment was revealed by the lawsuit against Trump brought by GOP and independent Colorado citizens seeking to disqualify Trump from being on the Colorado ballot in 2024. The 14th Amendment plan to disqualify Trump, explained - BBC News   The Colorado Secretary of State Jena Griswold, named in the suit, plans to "see the suit through" . Colorado secretary of state calls Trump a ‘liar,’ vows to see ballot lawsuit through | The Hill   A recent Supreme Court action on a similar issue per experts, did not affect the Colorado case because the legal argument on its behalf if stronger.. Trump's refusal to support the Constitution is consistent with earlier statements that he wanted to terminate or suspend the Constitution and his advocacy of political violence instead of ballots. .  Trump calls for the termination of the Constitution in Truth Social post | CNN Politics

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Wednesday, January 11, 2023

Elections have consequences and Jim Jordan's venom is one, updated 3/4/2023

 Jordan must be thrilled. He is going to have a powerful spotlight on his venomous witness badgering techniques that will be spotlighted in his House select committee on the Weaponization of Government His credibility is on the line, calling whistleblower witnesses in the pay of political interests and pursuing conspiracy theories with witnesses with no facts, just opinions. He has a history of badgering witnesses. He'll have a chance, as never before, to give plenty of fodder of sound bites for FOX talkers to wag their tongues as he seeks revenge for Biden's and Pelosi's rule, whether it was January 6 hearings or the IRS or the FBI and more, including the investigation into presidents and former presidents handling of classified documents from Mar a Lago to Biden's garage. Some samples of Jordan badgering witnesses in the past:

Michael Douglas: See Jim Jordan badger the witness (beaconjournal.com)

Rep. Jim Jordan grills William Taylor during impeachment hearing: full video - YouTube

Congressmen quarrel over "badgering" the witness at IRS hearing - CBS News

Fact check: Video shows Rep. Jim Jordan questioning witness, no criminal charges levied (yahoo.com)

Here Are All the Ways Republicans Plan to Investigate Biden - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Hunter Biden’s Tangled Tale Comes Front and Center - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

MUFTIC FORUM BLOG: Fauci: voodoo doll of the foolish right

Jim Jordan's Credibility Questioned Over Whistleblowers' Testimony (newsweek.com)



. He is going to serve a useful purpose to distract the public from witnessing g the GOP's attempt to undo whatever Biden got done that solved people's problems. Maybe in the next two years, we may be so wrapped up in Jordan's venom the GOP might be able to sneak through some legislation to come closer to realizing their great dream to privatize social security and medicare. Be grateful for the Oval Office's veto pen and a Democratic Senate.