Violence is the difference between an Orban dictatorship and a Trump one

 What is an Orban (Viktor Orban of Hungary).democracy? Orban calls it an illiberal democracy. That is an oxymoron. Illiberal for sure, but a democracy in name only. He has seized and maintained power peacefully. What is a Trump plus Orban style of governance? Orban's methods are similar to Trump's proposal to become a dictator, strong man, and autocrat (all the same basic meanings). However, Trump promotes the use of violence to maintain control.

As Trump becomes an apprentice to a European dictator, Viktor Orban of Hungary, in their recent meeting at Mar -A-Lago, Orban touts his illiberal democracy to Trump's high praise. In 2022, Orban was re-elected to his 4th term in an election that even the EU observers reported was marred by the "pervasive overlapping of government and ruling coalition’s messaging that blurred the line between state and party, as well as by media bias and opaque campaign funding." Human Rights Watch stated that the election was "marred by serious concerns about its fairness," while Freedom House described the election as neither free nor fair.["

Media bias in Hungary is an understatement since opposition media licenses are not granted, so there is only one silo permitted in a country whose language is unique to that country. https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/digital-news-report/2022/hungary In addition, elections are influenced by opaque campaign donations, and all the reins of government are in the hands of Orban loyalists. The skeleton and pretense of democracy remain; opposition party leaders are not jailed or murdered as in Russia, and all is peaceful. Peace is helped since 95% of Hungarian citizens are of one ethnic group (Magyar), so minorities do not have a chance, and neither do opposition groups.

Here is what Trump has made public and told how he would become a "strong leader". He only needs to be a dictator on day one to begin the process of becoming one, and use of violence is one of his tools. He has told us and it is no secret. Trump has pledged to use the active military to put down US demonstrations, execute generals who do not obey, and use the DOJ to prosecute Trump's enemies. Trump would control "justice" through appointees and feel free to have total immunity, a license to kill opponents, steal, and cheat, and all of the control of the election process would be in his hands. His plan is to fire 50 thousand federal employees and replace loyalists, including federal law enforcement. He only needs day one to begin the process.

Trump has a long history of supporting violence to accomplish a political goal. Even if you think he is just bluffing and bloviating, then learn how he has promoted violence in the past. It is a big part of who he is Promising to free and forgive violent and convicted January 6 protestors is just the most obvious one, but his inciting violence or advocating it has a record. Meet some of the violent Jan. 6 rioters Donald Trump keeps calling 'hostages' (nbcnews.com)https://mufticforumblog.blogspot.com/2020/08/trump-fans-flames-of-violence-yet-calls.html

https://mufticforumblog.blogspot.com/2024/03/viktor-orban-dangerous-role-model-for.html

https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/11/politics/donald-trump-media-tweet/index.html

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/hello-dictator-hungary-orban-viktor-119125/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/01/09/trump-comments-violence-bedlam/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Hungarian_parliamentary_election#:~:text=Hungary's%20incumbent%20prime%20minister%20Viktor,certainly%20see%20it%20from%20Brussels%22.

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-promising-supporters-d-second-034039743.htmlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYLT_w_Dd2A

https://mufticforumblog.blogspot.com/2023/12/if-you-think-trump-was-kidding-about.html

No more pussyfooting around. Time to call Trump a " wannabe fascist dictator?"

The New York Times today made a case for calling Trump a fascist, though they still tagged him with being a wannabe "autocrat. It was front page. While  The Times itself did not call Trump a fascist, it instead presented the evidence of how he fit the definition. Trump’s Dire Words Raise New Fears About His Authoritarian Bent - The New York Times (nytimes.com) Too bad America cannot get the full article because of the paywall. Still, the probability is frightening he could get his hands on the ability to carry out his plans.  This is not bloviating by a crazy, out-of-control megalomaniac. The Heritage Foundation has the money and the pre-vetted lists of loyalists who will replace the executive branch appointees not pledging loyalty or having a history of disloyalty to Trump. They are ready to go the minute Trump takes the oath of office and to get the job done within his term. MUFTIC FORUM BLOG: How the Heritage Foundation plans to turn us into a one party autocracy There is a large mass of Americans who already buy into\, ignore, or even applaud what he promises to do if he gets into the White House again.  They tacitly or consciously approve of his breaking the rule of law to do what he promised.  FromThe Times article:" A survey released last month by the Public Religion Research Institute found that 38 percent of Americans supported having a president willing to break some rules” to “set things right” with the country. Among Republicans surveyed, 48 percent backed that view."  Once Trump is successful in implementing his plans for citizens to take back democracy as they once knew it,  it is too late. Citizens have, by then, lost the power to do it through the ballot because the ballot is also under the control of Trump and his followers. There are plenty wanting to take his place if age overtakes Trump. If you are applauding what Trump is planning, you need to look in the mirror and wonder if you, too, have earned the tag of fascist.

 The Times article includes evidence of how Trump fits the definition. But first, the definition is based upon an analysis of past and current dictators (whatever their rationalization to garner personal power) .  "Fascism is generally understood as an authoritarian, far-right system of government in which hypernationalism is a central component. It also often features a cult of personality around a strongman leader, the justification of violence or retribution against opponents, and the repeated denigration of the rule of law", said Peter Hayes, a historian who has studied the rise of fascism...".   Another export source quoted in the Times article also said such fascist dictators rose to power by catering to those who think they have been victimized. "Past fascist leaders appealed to a sense of victimhood to justify their actions, he said. “The idea is: ‘We’re entitled because we’ve been victimized. We’ve been cheated and robbed."

My comment follows: Getting really close to Trump earning the tag: "wannabe fascist dictator". The pussyfoot term in use in the polite and liberal press has been "autocrat."  Way too kind for someone who now promises to imprison his opponents and is already making his enemies list that he will use for (his) Department of Justice loyalists to indict and jail, which he adds to daily. Maybe just "dictator" will do.  On the other hand, if the bird walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck. Trump is quacking like a fascist, and others are walking and acting like fascists on his behalf.  Today, it is Liz Cheney.  When he threatens to imprison any general who refused to call up the active military to put down demonstrations against him abusing the insurrection act, what does that describe?  If he promises to use the FCC to shut down media news who does not support him, where have you heard that before?,   If he describes those opposing him as "vermin"n" and says that illegal immigrants will contaminate "our blood",  he took a page from the German fascism of Goebbels and Hitler? That is how fascists get citizens to go along with their persecution by making them these targets less than human or lesser than their ruling class. Empathy has no place in that society. Even better, make the lesser than your race or class to blame for your ills and deserving your hatred. and oppression. Examples of that are Jewish bankers and, now, personified by George Soros by contemporary anti-semites. For Trump, the target is the "deep state, who dared during his first term to tell him "no."  That includes Genera Milley who refused to use active military to put down domestic protest. Root it out, he says, and replace it with his loyalists.   And if you tend to excuse this as just demagoguery, bloviating, and entertaining, you are a fool because the plans are already there and being funded to replace every executive decision appointee identified as "disloyal to Trump", including more of the judiciary, and lists of the loyal are being gathered, he can do it within four years.  Won't the Civil Rights Act or the Constitutional amendments protect minorities' access to the ballot? Not if yesterday's federal judges ruled that complaints about such violations can only be brought by the Justice Department, not citizens. That one will eventually make it to the Trump-appointed Supreme Court, which already gutted the rest of the Voting Rights Act.  Violence in support of Trump is approved and justified, not just on January 6.   If there is no ruile of law, there is the rule of Trump, and that one raised alarm bells even among conservatives. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/21/anti-trump-conservative-lawyers

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